Friday, March 13, 2015

California DMV Vision Driving Test

 In addition to wearing glasses to correct my vision to 20/20,  I have an additional condition in one of my eyes that has been there since birth.  Renewing my license in person this year,  the California DMV apparently had no record of my eye anomaly which surprised me.  
To bring my file up-to-date, one of the things I had to do is take a behind-the-wheel "Vision Driving Test".  I could find virtually no information online about what a California DMV Vision Driving Test covers,  so I decided to create this post to assist others.
 First, from the little I could find online it appeared that a Vision Driving Test would be limited to ensuring I could see properly.  Fair enough, makes sense.  After taking the test,  I can tell you that it appears to cover everything that a normal driving test covers - so be prepared!  For those of you that find yourself in my shoes - suddenly taking a behind-the-wheel test after decades of driving - this post is a crash course in preparing for that test.
 Step 1.  Watch the DMV videos on taking the behind-the-wheel driving test here.  
 Step 2. Memorize the automatic failure areas, shown to the left.  I know some of these are fairly vague, but this is what the categories are.  I know not coming to a complete stop is an automatic failure, so it must fall under disobeying traffic sign.

Also, "speed" is very vague.  It means going 10 MPH over the speed limit -OR- 10 MPH under the speed limit is an automatic failure.  If not marked, the default speed limit is 25 MPH.
 Step 3.  If possible, drive the test route a day or two in advance.  Ask around to find out what it is if necessary.
 Here is a list of what specifically is on the Vision Driving Test.   When I first took the test, I had no idea what would be on it and thought they would be looking for my visual abilities only.  Not true.  It is full blown driving test as near as I can tell.

First, they'll check your car to ensure it passes their checklist.  Then the evaluator will get in your car and ask if you have any questions.  Then the actual driving begins.  They'll evaluate how you drive in the parking lot, in a residential area, in a business district, and on a freeway.  You can opt out of freeway driving, but I would imagine that will result in a restriction on your license.

Carefully watch the speed limit each time you turn onto a new street, come to complete stops BEHIND the limit line, signal/check mirrors/look over the shoulder (in that order) for each lane change, and you should be just fine.
 So what are some things to look out for?  For starters, backing in a straight line without hitting the curb.  Signal to pull over to the curb, and back in a straight line while checking your mirrors and looking over your shoulder.
 On this residential street, the speed limit was clearly marked as 35 MPH.  OK so far.
But when we turned onto this street, the speed limit became 25 MPH because it is not marked, even though this felt even more worthy of 35 MPH than the prior street!   There appears to be some confusion over what the default speed limit is in commercial zones also.  The DMV video clearly says 25 MPH, but at least one person I talked with at the DMV office thought it was higher.  Maybe a good question for your evaluator, to ensure you're both on the same page?

Another area to look out for: when to look over your shoulder.  The videos are pretty clear as to the situations where it is necessary, but to be doubly sure I checked over my shoulder for every lane change and turn.

Finally, in preparing for this test,  some driving rules I had either forgotten or never knew:

  • When turning right, you must pull over as close to the curb as possible before making the turn.  I lost points for not doing this.  This is true even if there is a bike lane.
  • If there is a right turn red arrow, you CANNOT turn right on red, even if there is no "No Right Turn On Red" sign.  I was not aware of this.
  • When turning left, it is legal to pull into the intersection and wait for oncoming traffic to clear, even this means you will be eventually turning left on a yellow.  I had thought that the car must remain behind the limit line until traffic was clear, but this is not the case.
  • Changing lanes in the middle of an intersection or across railroad tracks is legal.  Imaginary lines connect the lane marking lines from one side of the intersection (or tracks) to the other.
So there you have it.  A bit of insight into what to expect should a California DMV Vision Driving Test be required.   Best wishes and I hope this has been helpful.

99 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you sooo much for taking the time to post this. I'm pretty much in the same position right now with getting my license renewed in CA. I suspect you have the same eye condition I do: amblyopia.

Question. Does the vision driving test make you parallel park? I'm from the country, and I've never had to parallel park. This will be my first CA driving test, and I'm worried they'll make parallel park.

J said...

Hi There,

No, they didn't make me parallel park. I did, however, have to back up parallel to a curb (no other cars nearby).

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much! Hope I can pass tomorrow!

Anonymous said...

I have no vision in my right eye.I had to back up 3 car lengths along a curb on right side of street. I used all my mirrors and my back up camera. I can't turn my head and look over my shoulder with no vision in right eye.The monitor failed me..even after knowing my situation.

J said...

If you can't turn your head to look over your shoulder, I'm not sure I think you should have a license either.

One possible solution: I have an uncle who has a bad back and must wear a back brace, therefore he can't turn his head either. He has extra mirrors mounted in his car that allow him to see all locations around the vehicle. I assume this is why he has a license, the extra mirrors make up for his not being able to turn his head. He lives in a different state, but you may want to check with your state to see if this is a viable alternative for you.

Good luck.

M said...

Hi there

I have a valid out of state license. If I fail in this exam, can I continue to drive in california with that out of state license?

Sarah Ann Krause said...

I have a perfect driving record, no tickets ever,1 accident (I was hit),& now I have early-onset cataracts awaiting surgery and can't pass the DMV vision test? I'm trying not to feel like I failed a test and I hope this vision driving test is no different from normal driving, I don't have a car right now, the last who scheduled the test appt said they'll have a car I can drive but that'll mean no way to practice. I love driving, it's freedom and Independence for me. My test is July 20, but I've been with a temp license since May. I'll just say, to be cont.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for posting this. I have an upcoming test and am nervous. I have had detachments.

Unknown said...

Is there a separate option to make a vision driving test instead of the regular driving test?

Anonymous said...

Hi J,

Could you please guide someone who hasn't drive and currently learning and has been asked to take the CA vision driving test? Compare to Normal Driving Test what is the additional thing that they look for in Vision Driving Test?
My condition: I suffer from strabismus in the left eye and have a poor vision(20/300) in it, but my right eye is perfectly good with 20/20 acuity.
Any guidance here will be highly appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Great and very accurate info. Thank you. I read this and looked at all links and it helped me pass the test. I did almost have a critical fail due to a slow driver on the road. Short version is that the instructor told me to listen to her instructions nad drive safely. We went on the freeway and the car in front of me started to waiver in their speed. At one point they almost dropped to 10 under the speed limit (critical fail on the test). Luckinly, because of this page, I knew it would be an issues and asked the instructor. She said that it could have been a critical fail and the proper thing to do would have been to pass them and return to my lane , even though I was not instructed to change lanes.

Overall,I recommend following all the links, and watching all the videos. I ran into several situations that I remembered from the video and was much more prepared.

J said...

To April 3, 2019 anonymous:

I actually am not sure the difference between an normal driving test and a Vision Driving Test. I would expect them to be paying a little closer attention to how we observe situations around us, particularly with respect to traffic, lane changes, parallel backing, etc. I would also make very sure you check over your should for ALL lane changes, turns, pulling up to or away from curbs, etc.

Also, if you're a new driver, I would take an on-the-road course with a driving school. They can help you learn the basics much better than a friend or relative.


Good luck to you, though I'm sure you'll do fine since you are doing your homework in advance.

J said...

To April 13, 2019 anonymous:

Very glad to help - getting comments like yours makes me very happy I took the time to post!

One point that you kind of hit that I would like to clarify for others: I don't believe your are allowed to ask the DMV evaluator that rides with you any questions during the test. You can ask them questions BEFORE you start to drive, or AFTER, but not during. Therefore, if there are any areas that you are not clear about, make sure and ask them before you start the engine.

We came across a situation during my most recent drive that I had questions about once we returned to the DMV, and the evaluator cleared them up for me. Basically, I encountered a situation where I had to switch lanes while crossing railroad tracks. I wasn't sure if that was legal, but did it anyway since I was kind of forced into it. When we returned, I asked if that was legal and the instructor said yes. He said it is also legal to switch lanes in an intersection, since the lanes continue to be marked by imaginary connecting lines. I was surprised this is legal, as I always thought it wasn't.

In any case, thanks again for taking the time to leave a comment. And glad I could assist!

Unknown said...

Just curious, how many chances do you have if you failed the driving test?

Matt said...

Thanks for the post, was good to read beforehand.

To answer the above question - you get three attempts before you have to re-apply for the license. Each test will need to be rescheduled though. VDTs can't be modified online so you must call if you want to try and get an earlier appt.

Did my VDT yesterday at Redwood City, CA. Passed on the first attempt. As mentioned, the only difference with the regular test is that there's a freeway component to it. In my case, I didn't even merge onto the freeway as the joining lane turned into an exit lane that we wanted.

If you happen to be going to Redwood City, you can see my route below. They do have multiple, and change them pretty regularly it looks like, but gives you an idea of what's involved.

Where I got my faults was around lane discipline - cancelling blinker before all 4 wheels had crossed the line, riding the inside line (track habits) etc. The curb maneuver is very straight forward (/backwards), and you can't really go wrong - see a lot of people are worried about this. Just take your time if you're unsure and keep turning your head like a desk fan.

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Anonymous said...

How long do you need renew the DL again ? Mine was 1 year in CA.

Anonymous said...

Renew DL in 1 year maybe because your vision specialist wrote 1 year on your DL 62 form.

My question is do you need to take the driving test again when you renew your DL?

Any one knows if we need to take the driving test again?

Anonymous said...

As long as your condition is stable, you don't need to test again in your next renew.

Unknown said...

My question is: Once you passed the Vision Driving Test, is it noted on your license anywhere that you required a Vision Driving Test to get your license? In other words, does your license itself note that you are in any way vision impaired?

Stacey M said...

Oh my gosh! Bless you for this blog. I have been almost totally blind in one eye sine early child hood. I have a condition called Nuerofibromatosis, and it affects my right eye to the point where my eye is nearly closed and barely functional. I have been driving without a problem since age 16. I was surprised at this requirement for a test. I just took my test and passed, with 8 points taken off. I mostly lost points for stopping too close to the vehicle in front of me. I drive a stick shift, and down shift and then coast to a stop. Somehow not the way the examiner wanted me to move. Then stopped too close to the care in front? Didn't seem that way to me, but hey I passed so I'm good. And I will take the examiner's advise and stop further back in the future. I also lost a couple of points for "traffic check". This means "the constant scanning for vehicle traffic, pedestrian traffic, and road hazards and the safe reaction to these items." I was surprised at this, since I think I look around all the time. One dumb error on my part was failure to signal when merging. I was merging on an on-ramp, and by the time I saw the dotted lines on the side, I was through it. Even had my hands in the left signal, and just didn't do it. My bad. So word of advise ALWAYS use the turn signal. The form the DMV used is the "Supplemental/Area Driving Performance Evaluation Score Sheet". As far as I can tell, there is no other thing called a "Vision Drive Test". I should be good for ever now now that I have a record of driving with site in just one eye.

Vicky Bidawat said...

This post has been beneficial.
Yep, the points mentioned above in comments are all correct. The VDT is evaluated on a "Supplemental/ Area Driving Performance Evaluation Score Sheet" its almost similar to a normal one, Instead of 15 you can have a max. of 20 errors as the VDTs are usually for 30 mins. The examiner will ask you whether you want to include the freeway or not. If you say no to freeway you get a restriction on your DL stating you cannot drive on freeway. I would say no one shall opt for this option as its the easiest part of the test. Lastly, all I would say is, VDTs outcome is not straight forward like a normal one wherein you get 2 more attempts and then restart the application. In VDTs if you fail and you performed really bad (doing critical errors) then the examiner might not give you a second attempt and can plan over an order of revocation for your driving privilege. Check this official document from CA dmv website that indicates all the vision conditions and how they judge that (https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/dl/driversafety/vision_cond) It looks scary but that's how they evaluate case by case. I have no intention to scare someone who is preparing, but just need to inform you of the severity as they don't take it lightly. Practice for a good time and pass the test in the first attempt. In case, you fail with a critical error and they issue an order of revocation they still give you a chance wherein, you can appeal their order at the hearing office by yourself or by a defense advocate (recommended) and can fight to retain your driving privilege. However, you just earn an additional VDT attempt and still need to demonstrate the DMV examiner that you can drive safely and need to clear that VDT. Once done and your condition is stable you are good for a lifetime.
I recently gave my test and passed it. I was very much tensed after knowing about the fact that they can revoke my driving privilege. However, I just focused on my learning so well and made sure that I know how to react in toughest of the driving condition and aced it.
I did a lot of research while I was in my learning phase and I started with J's blog post, As he mentions, it's true that there is not a lot of info available online. However, I read all the docs provided by DMV related to vision and find out all the possibilities.
So all the best and practice and get your license if you know you can drive safely with your eye condition.

J said...

Unknown,

As far as I can tell, there is no notation on the Driver's License that you carry with you denoting you took a vision driving test.

Others can correct me if I'm wrong.

Unknown said...

Excellent blog, I was told yesterday that I am required to take the VDT in spite having DL for last 40 yrs and I recently moved to CA from TX due to work hence I need CA DL. I am ok with the rule, but the problem I am facing is that in Bay area there is no open slot for VDT for next 45 days!!! And it seems that unlike normal driving test I cannot scheduled it online! I have to keep calling them every day to see if any slots open up. This did not sound right, any suggestions?

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Abdel said...

Abdel,
Thanks so much for your great post, it helps me a lot, it's the only thing I found about VDT online,
you did a great job.

Karen Stevens said...

Excellent information. I've got the VDT on Monday, and have spent hours, trying to memorize all the street name in a 2 mile radius of the San Diego DMV Do they require you be able to read every street sign? Karen

J said...

They do not ask you to read any street name signs...you can skip studying that

Anonymous said...

They do not ask you to read any street name signs...you can skip studying that

Thank you so much for answering that question. And thanks to all for information.

Maaike said...

Thank you SO MUCH for this post!!! I had my VDT this morning and passed! Your post and all the comments really helped set me up for success. I took the test at the Redwood City DMV. The route was very similar to what commenter Matt posted above. My license was renewed for 2 years, then I’ll have to take the VDT again. I have astigmatism in my right eye correctable to 20/60. My six faults were all versions of pulling up too close to the car in front of me at stops. The tester told me that I should always be able to see the tires of the car in front of me when pulled behind them. Thanks again, and to all those still waiting to take the VDT, it is totally passable!!

Unknown said...

I need to schedule a California DMV Vision Driving test, but there's no option for that on the DMV website. And when I called it's only a computer talking and I can't tell them what I need. Does anyone know how to schedule an appointment for the vision driving test?

Larry said...

Thanks for this post, I passed VDT yesterday....once the test starts the fear fades and confidence sets in! My licence will expire in for five years !!

J said...

Thanks to all of you posting your successes and other stories. That's what makes this post great - the collective knowledge of all of us in this position, helping each other out. Keep'em coming!

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much for this I information. I wish I had it before taking and failing my first VDT. The DMV gave absolutely no info when scheduling the test. I'm now trying to schedule a retest before my license expires and it is impossible to reach them or schedule online. Hope I can figure something out. Any ideas???

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your quick response to my scheduling problem.
I am a senior driver. Lost most vision in one eye a few years ago. I had no idea I would have to take a VDT when I went to apply for a Real ID and get my license replaced. I was told nothing about test, given no materials and had no idea what it entailed. I just found someone who is a public advocate for senior drivers, after searching web for days. I think there is one for various counties in California. I wish all this info was easier to obtain. It's very frustrating.
This blog is amazing and I want to thank you again for getting this info out there and thank everyone who has contributed.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your blog. I have teenager who has vision issues so need to take vision drive test. wanted to know how long is the test. how long is freeway part. do they ask to change lane on freeway. her test scheduled for Fremont DMV. Any info for Fremont dmv test route is greatly appriciated.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this information, I too recently was told I had to take a Vision Driving Test pre-Covid here in CA which got cancelled but now is in a few weeks.

I was born premature and ended up with Retinopathy of prematurity (ROP), common for premature babies, one of my eyes took a big hit and I have light and peripheral vision in it but no reading, but I have 20/20 in the other. Like you after driving for decades with no issues, this year my license came up for renewal, I had hit the limit on automatic renewals, the DMV didn't seem to not have my previous medical record on file so had to have my doctor fill in a new form which now is 3 pages long as opposed to the one I had decades ago which was one page.

I can read the DMV eye chart fine in my good eye, but they said you have to have a Vision Driving Test. I could not find anything online to see if it was any different from a regular driving test, so was so delighted in my search when your information came up. Bless your heart for sharing this, it gave me great comfort!

Marcy said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you! This site helped me SO much! I found it yesterday, took the test this morning, and passed! Full license, no restrictions, renewal in 5 years. The examiner told me that when I return, in 5 years for the renewal, that I may be told that I need to take the vision-driving test again and that I need to say "no, because my condition is stable, therefore not progressive". I had a brain tumor that pressured my right eye's optic nerve and made me permanent blind from that eye at the age of 12.
This morning, when the examiner sat next to me, he showed me the scoring sheet, had me sign it, and told me that he would checking for safety driving skills and looking out for dangerous driving maneuvers. I must admit that I was a bit nervous right before he sat down, but he seemed very calm and the fact that I saw the Supplemental/ Area Driving Performance Evaluation Score Sheet (thanks to this website's comments) I felt much more calm and confident.
I'm so happy and relieved that I passed the test!
I want to say, to anyone who is about to take it, don't overthink it, trust your good driving skills, and feel confident during the test ;)

danpaq said...

Thank you so much for this information! I've lived in CA for 10 years. Opted to go to the DMV for the Real ID rather than renew by mail in January. I got the form filled out by an optometrist ahead of time. DMV told me I had to take a vision driving test. Original appointment for April got rescheduled to yesterday due to Covid. The form from the optometrist had expired in the meantime as it's only good for 6 months. I'm kind of galled at how little information there is from the DMV on the Vision Driving Test. I posted an appeal to my friends on Facebook and a friend of mine directed me to this blog post. Good thing I've already read the manual and watched some videos. Time to get some additional driving in based on your tips.

Anonymous said...

I did not pass the vision test at DMV. My eye dr filled up the form mentioning I have 20/30 vision in one eye and I hoped this will help me renew my DL. But still DMV told me to take VDT. Its is coming up in next 3 weeks and I am very nervous. Thanks to this blog and comments, I am noting down all the important points to remember. My question is: If I fail this test, Can i retake the test? how many times? Are there any other possibilities/options that I can keep my DL or it will be revoked?. I am giving test at Santa Clara DMV. Does anyone knows the route for VDT? Thanks

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this website, it helps a lot. I have glaucoma and my eye doctor sign the form with 20/250 on my left eye so I need to take the Vision Drive test.
The test is easy, driving around, exit to freeway and come back in the next exit. No back up test. Passed the test today with 8 mistakes mostly with traffic check and 1 full stop.
Not as difficult as expected.
Now I can have my driver license for 2 years, will need to take another Vision Drive test in 2 years, then again in 1 year.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for sharing. I couldn't find anything about this on the DMV site. How were able to make an appointment (I live in California). There was only a selection to make an appointment for 'behind-the-wheel' but I got the message "Sorry you are not eligible to make a Behind-the-Wheel driving test appointment online"

Anonymous said...

Thank you thank you for this information. I hate driving tests make me nervous, thought I'd be good for awhile but nope. The DMV now in 2020 is getting stricter. Not looking forward to it but your advice has helped a lot. Get to do it in Sacramento. Thanks again.

Neil said...

I've moved from the UK to California, and I have amblyopia in my left eye. and 20/20 vision in my right eye. I have been driving without issues in the UK. and 9+ years no claims (that's the maximum you can get btw) and have also my motorcycle licence in the UK and another 9+ years no claims. I am jumping through many hoops to get my first licence here, got the Report of Vision Examination, and hoped to get my 'written' test, but the clerk deemed it necessary for me to have a behind the wheel vision test, and started the procedure of booking me in - (failing because well, I haven't got a permit I would imagine). Looks like they are following the procedure, but there is no procedure for new licences. or the DMV officers haven't been trained, or haven't got the right info. They called their supervisor and he said the same thing.. What?!?!?

Found the procedure online they are following (low and behold), If DMV are aware of the amblyopia then what they should do is nothing.., but if I fail an eye test, then there is this test as to whether additional training is required - you know the behind the wheel 'vision' test - mentioned above. But hold on.. I haven't got a permit yet! which would be when you inform them you have amblyopia for the first time (unless it developed after you have had a license, which is totally understandable) Gonna go to a different DMV office and I hope they have had dealings with Amblyopia.. Think people!!

There is a definite disconnect - (CA DMV demands 20/40 with both eyes, and 20/40 with one eye, and 20/70 with the other eye) Yet there is a caveat that no-one is looking at which is no less that 20/200 with one eye... Think they are blinder than I am...

I have put in a complaint about this hole in their procedures. we'll 'see' how far that gets us.

Neil said...

(re-read my comment - Think they are blinder than I am - should be Think DMV are blinder than I am.. noticed that It could be very much misconstrued, and for that I apologise.)

Anonymous said...

Thank you. I probably did not pass my VDT without your blog. My original renewal was last April but I had my VDT in September due to the Covid. I had retinal detachment and part of vision missing on one eye so failed vision test. I studied your blog and passed with 4 errors, got a 2 year license. It was very stressful during the test preparation, so if possible I want to avoid the VDT next time. I read someone’s comment "As long as condition is stable, you don't need to test again in your next renew.“ Do I just submit a new DL62 from my doctor says stable? Does anyone have done that?

Unknown said...

Thank you. I am glad I find your blog a day before VDT. I may not pass the VDT today if I did not read your blog yesterday. I am going to receive my Real ID probably in two weeks but I was asked to do VDT every two years.

Anonymous said...

How long is this test? I am given 40 minutes time slot. Will I have to drive this long? Are there any additional testing criteria which are not there in regular drive tests?

Anonymous said...

I took the visual driving test last week and passed it. The DMV instructor mainly wants to see if you are watching over your shoulder and respecting the rules of the road. Overall, easy test. Don't over think it and have fun. Is all about good driving habits and nothing to do with your actual vision.

Unknown said...

I wish someone can tell me the test route to DMV Fremont branch at Central Ave. What are the names of the streets they take us. So I will drive there a couple of days before the test. I will also have visual driving test.



Anonymous said...

Responding to "I read someone’s comment "As long as condition is stable, you don't need to test again in your next renew.“ Do I just submit a new DL62 from my doctor says stable? Does anyone have done that?," unfortunately, this is not always the case. Even if your ophthalmologist says your condition is stable and denotes this on your form, the DMV can make the executive decision to override this and make you retest. This happened to me despite begging the DMV to listen to my ophthalmologist. I hate the system and I'm currently driving on a temp license because they wouldn't let me renew unless I waited 3 months for an appointment for a VDT at a far away DMV.

Unknown said...

I came across this and am so grateful for the original post and all the comments! I, like many others here, wasn't able to find anything online about the process, so this was extremely helpful. I have Stargardt disease, an advanced cataract in my right eye (which I can't have taken care of yet because I'm pregnant so need to wait a few months), and have had retinal detachment in my right eye too. My vision is 20/80 and 20/250.

I was very nervous about having to take the VDT! But, it was much easier and than I had anticipated. My doctor filled out the form (you can find it here. I printed it out, filled out the top, and then dropped it off for my eye doctor to fill out the rest). https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/uploads/2020/04/dl62-1.pdf Make sure to bring the original to the DMV. A tip on this.... I went to the San Francisco DMV where they looked at the form and then scheduled a driving test for me 2 days later at a different DMV (Daly City). They SF DMV kept the original form, so I luckily had a copy of it for the Daly City DMV. This was almost a deal breaker because they requested the original, but it didn't occur to me to ask the SF DMV for the original back. I assumed they would scan it and it would connect to tmey record for all DMVs to see. Not so! A supervisor came over and said my copy of the original form was fine to use, but don't know how kind other DMVs will be.

Once the driving examiner got in the car with me, I asked if I could take my mask off because it fogs up my glasses when I drive. (We had windows already open.) He was wearing his and said he was OK with it, but if I failed and had to retake the test, another examiner would definitely require me to wear it. I don't think I'd get very far trying to drive with foggy glasses, so guess I got lucky again.

My driving test lasted about 15-20 minutes. I did go on the highway briefly because the examiner asked me if I wanted to as part of the test. Usually, I don't drive on the highway, but I said yes. And it was just as others have described, where I stayed in the right lane, which became an exit-only lane quickly. So I increased my speed only to decrease after a few seconds in preparation for exiting the highway. The examiner told me that if I opted out of the highway portion, I would never be able to drive on the highway again. I don't know if he was being a little over-dramatic or if it's true, but it was pretty easy in my opinion.

Just wanted to add to this awesome blog about people's experiences. Thank you all for recording your experiences here and good luck to future VDT-takers!

Unknown said...

I just reviewed this again - I had to take the VDT two years ago at age 58 after driving without problems since I was 16. I have a stable condition - blind in right eye. I passed the test with just 8 points taken off, and was so glad to think I would be fine from then on. Well, I received a limited term license for two years, and am going back Monday for a new vision test, written test, and they say I need to take the driving test again. When I first received the two year limited term license, I tried in vain to find out why - but couldn't get through the DMV system. When I go Monday, I will try to argue out of the driving test - We will see. (no pun intended!)

Unknown said...

Hi friend,

Hope your girl must passed the exam,my test for Fremont DMV is scheduled in 2 weeks, may I know if you still remember the test and how long was the test? Is the route same as the regular one? I APPRECIATE if you can provide some information. Thank you!

Unknown said...

Hi , I am going to do the test in the same location as you did. how was your test? I am kind of nervous

Anonymous said...

I have had a license in CA for past 16 years. I submitted DL 62 orginally and was never asked again. But due to Real ID I was asked to re-do DL 62. I brought it back but now they want to do VDT. I was very unhappy.

I am scheduled to test in 8 weeks from now. I would appreciate if anyone who took the test in Fremont can guide on their experience and which routes they took.

Thank you all !!

Anonymous said...

Extremely helpful blog- I have had no issues and its never come up in the past but with the Real ID I am now required to do the VDT. As others have remarked there is no info on this topic on the web- my appointment was scheduled directly at the San Francisco DMV, the person I was interacting with me told me I could do it by calling the CA DMV but that it was "much easier to do it via me as this is not super common."

Im fine doing a driver test - annoying as it is- but I wonder do we also do full parking (ie parallel park, 90 degree point park etc.) as part of the test?

Unknown said...

I think I wrote this! Good news, I went to renew my license and told them I didn't know why I was only approved for two years since I passed the test. They agreed! No more driving tests.

Anonymous said...

No parallel parking was required in VDT. Just had to back up on the curb in straight line without touching the curb. VDT is regular driving test but need to go the highway and immediately get off at the next exit. The examiner is observing if you can turn your shoulder. You have to follow all rules thoroughout the test - Signals, speed limit, stop sign, lane change, etc. Criteria on rules is pretty relaxed - allowed up to 20 mistakes. Test is not hard at all. We are all experienced drivers so should be no issue for VDT. I don't mind taking VDT but I did not like the way DMV employees communicate with us. They are very cold. I agree I have a medical issue but some empathy should be shown. We cannot say anything to them because our future lies with them with respect to driving license.

Anonymous said...

Many thanks for this blog. I just moved from MA to CA and got roped into VDT (due to one eye being congenitally bad). My test is in two months (that's the earliest the clerk was able to find) at Los Gatos. Any way to find out what route they use for the tests ? Thanks in advance.

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to come back to this blog to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. I am a 21 year old who has had numerous visual impairments since a young age. I go to college in NYC and thus do not drive often. I came back to California for my summer break and had to renew my license, but had no idea that I would have to take a Vision Driving Test. I looked online and this was the only forum that offered any help or advice. I took my test a couple of days ago and passed! It was a pretty routine driving test that followed the original course for the DMV office that I went to, the only addition to the normally driving test was the freeway. Good luck to everyone and thank you again!

Anonymous said...

5 years ago I was in our front yard watching out neighbors across the street out off fire works. One tipped over and blew up towards us. Rocketing back into their garage and setting three separate fires. A giant spark landed in my left eye- permanently taking my cornea. I have no vision in my left eye after 6+ surgeries. Three years later I finally was driving back and forth to work. Two years ago my DL expired. I went to renew- got hit with the vision test (normal for everyone). They had my cover my right eye and it was over. I couldn’t even see the chart. Had to take a packet to my specialist- get exams, they had to fill it out and mail it to me. Now I must take this BACK in when I complete my vision drivers test on august 18th. I’ve been battling this for years. I’m scared sick. I’m so tired and so done. Thank you so much for this thread. It was a great help. My heart goes out to every one of you. I’m so sorry.

Anonymous said...

I am renewing my DL. Did not pass my vision test. I am driving with one eye. Need to take vision driving test in a week. Anybody took one at Pleasanton, CA? I am very nervous. Sometimes it me longer to read the traffic lights due shadow from the sunlight. Will the examiner deduct points for reacting to slow?

Anonymous said...

I just wrapped up the VDT test - it is exactly as stated in this blog (which was a huge help as there is little info on the internet or through the CA DMV). The VDT is testing EXACTLY what a normal CA DMV Drive test would test with the addition that you are asked to jump on the highway for one exit and then get off right away. The test lasts roughly 15 min and you can miss up to 20 points ((effectively 20 small mistakes). For long time drivers who have no issues driving this test should not be too hard though I would recommend you brush up as everyone has some habits that are not "by the book." Note that the examiner will be grading by said "book." There is no parallel park or 90 degree back, rather you will be asked to pull over to a curb and go backwards for 3-4 ft without hitting anything. Good luck all

HelloKitty said...

I had my VDT at Los Gatos DMV. The examiner was quite friendly and basically said it will not be a full driving test. The whole thing was about 15 mins. Local roads first. Asked to pull over to the curb once and back up for a few feet (made sure I was looking back with my right hand holding the headrest of passenger seat). I made sure to stop at stop signs and count to three before starting. We briefly got onto the highway 17 and drove for one exit all the while staying on the right lane. Along the way, the examiner was chitchatting a bit but I made sure I did not lose my focus. I passed with 5 mistakes out of 20 (all of them had to do with not scanning enough when reaching intersections). Huge relief. Thanks to this page, I had the confidence when going into the test.

Anonymous said...

Can you tell me if your license for 5 years? Or 2 years? Do you have take VTD again?

Anonymous said...

Thanks to this page and all information. Anyone know the VDT route in Hayward-CA?

Anonymous said...

I am facing the same issue. You can make an appointment by phone. I called the 800-777-0133 number and went thru the entire process until it asked if I wanted to talk to an agent. I was called back in 5 minutes and was able to get an appointment. Today is 11/3. My appointment is in January.

Anonymous said...

This is how I finally got an appointment, too!
Just wait until the end of the phone-tree and if you get the recording leave your call back number and a real person will return your call!
The lady from DMV who called back right away was very nice and made my Vision Drive Test appointment for the DMV office of my choice for the date and time of my choosing, as I wanted to be sure that my new glasses would be ready and the bad headlight repair completed before the test day!

Anonymous said...

Soooo much gratitude to all who have contributed to this post; it is so helpful and calming that I'm feeling confident for my test now scheduled for a couple of weeks from now.

Here is the link that is so hard to find on the California DMV site which includes several important links:
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/educational-materials/fast-facts/preparing-for-your-driving-test-ffdl-22/

Review the links, then practice driving with the included information in thought and you'll pass!

Anonymous said...

On the DMV page linked above notice that under "Who takes a driving test?" the second answer is a driver who has
A vision-related problem

Anonymous said...

When studying this DMV page

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-education-and-safety/educational-materials/fast-facts/preparing-for-your-driving-test-ffdl-22/

be sure to scroll down to the link for "SAFE DRIVER CHECKLIST"

Anonymous said...

For those who were able to get a full license after passing the test, which CA DMV did you all go to? My optometrist believes that I should have an unrestricted license. I have amblyopia in my right eye which ends up being 20/200, but with both eyes open, she compares my vision to someone without a condition (my other eye is 20/20). In addition, my condition is stable and won't be affecting the other eye. Are there other DMVs I should avoid that might make me keep coming back for another VDT every 2 years? My test is in a week, so I hope things go well!

Anonymous said...

I took the test today at the Palm Springs DMV. The freeway portion was not on I-10 but on hwy 111 past the tramway. I had a great examiner. He took off 1 pt. for speed ( too slow) and that's all. My visual issue is congenital and not progressive. I will get a 5 year license.

Anonymous said...

Either in person or calling the DMV

Hugh said...

I just took and passed my Vision Driving Test today, and I owe it to this blog and all the great comments. Thank you all. Watching the Cal DMV video's helped, too, which led to some other helpful YouTUbe Vides as well. But it was the very helpful explanations of what to expect, and the tips on how to preparer, that came from this blog and comments, that made me feel prepared, calmer, and perform better. I also found helpful simply driving around the area where I was going to be tested, noting speed limits, lane changes, intersection details, while practicing driving like the examiner would expect: coming to full stop, using my blinker properly, and staying within posted speed limits (all things after 63 years of driving that I'm pretty casual about).

Anonymous said...

I got retina problem with my right eye. After second trial to get the doctor to fill out the form, I went today to try to renew my DL. I took the written test and passed, but I was told to get an appointment for Vision Driving test. I came home and tried to get one from the dmv.ca.gov, but I was told that I was currently not eligible to take a driving test. I do not know what it meant. Please help, anybody?

Margaret

Anonymous said...

Margaret, I think to setup appointment for VDT, you have to call dmv. Don't think you can make it online. For me, they set it up at the dmv counter. But I can see the appointment online.

Anonymous said...

If you call the 800 number - 800-777-0133, and work your way through the menus, eventually you will be asked if you want to talk to a team member. If you respond "yes", and answer a couple of more questions, you will be given a call-back time, and the DMV will call you, and you can set up a VDT appointment at any DMV office in the state. Your local office may be booked up for months. If so, try an office in an outlying area and get there a couple of hours early to familiarize yourself with the roads. Also, if you've been driving for a long time, there are a lot of new rules regarding bike lanes that you will need to know.

Anonymous said...

Anyone took the VDT at Daly city DMV? If so, do you remember the route? :)

Thanks

Nitin said...

Hi All,

Anyone took the VDT in Fremont location? Can anyone please share there experience and the route which they used to take during the test. And also if possible can anyone let me know the highway number also where they enter and take the exit immediately.

Anonymous said...

Just drive around the area , whichever the closest freeway should be the one u hopping on and going off

Anonymous said...

Same thing happened to me today. Had to call and speak to a real person.

Anonymous said...

Do they make you switching lanes into the faster lanes, or just jump on and then off?

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this blog, all of your comments are very helpful. Does anyone know the VDT route for the Paso Robles office? Any details you can share regarding the VDT in that office?

Anonymous said...

I took VDT today @ Santa teresa DMV San Jose and passed with one mistake.I am getting renewal for two years now(amblyopia in right eye-stable for 30yrs).This blog is very helpful thank you for all information

Jay in Cali said...

Thanks for the post. As a stick shift driver, I can tell I will have to force myself to NOT do some of my casual bad habits, such as coasting in neutral, or relying solely on my back up camera.

Anonymous said...

Hi - does anyone know if it's the norm now to only get a limited term 2 year license even after passing the VDT and getting approval from the optometrist?

Anonymous said...

Hi - do you know why you only had a 2 year license instead of 5?

Anonymous said...

I just took mine to and passed, same thing 2 years, you don’t have retake it as long as you’re eyes stay the same only if your eye sight changes then you have re take

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this blog , just passed my VDT easy had 6 mistakes and didn’t make me park only once and free way, super easy and simple just look over shoulder and making sure you Confident and it easy Peezy

Anonymous said...

Hi - do you know why you only got a 2 year renewal as opposed to 5 years?

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for this blog, it has really helped me prep for my vision drive test. To pay it forward, I'm detailing my experience below.

For context, I've been a driver for 10 years w/o citations so it came as a surprise when I applied for a REAL ID that I'd need to take a VDT. DMV staffers can sometimes come off a little humiliating too so it was extra stressful.

For prep, I read this blog, watched all the DMV videos, practiced w/ my partner at the DMV neighborhood, took a driving lesson ($$$). The driving lesson was probably an overkill but it reminded me that I need to scan at intersections, look over my shoulders even when I'm simply making a left or right turn (in addition to lane changes), reverse along the curb, and that I do not need to signal when entering roundabouts.

On test day, I did my exam at the Los Gatos DMV. It's a Tuesday morning and traffic was quite busy with a lot of impatient commuters but the course is very easy. My examiner was nice and immediately assured me that I won't lose my license, it's only for the record. We drove on city streets (never in residential neighborhoods), went on Hwy 17 North (unlikely you'll ever go on Hwy 17 South due to distance), pulled over to the right on Winchester blvd and did a reverse along the curb (I made sure to look over my left shoulder that there were no cars coming before I began reversing). That's it, then we drove back to the DMV. The entire drive was about 15 min. I had 3 points deducted for not scanning at intersections.

I got a 5 years full term license and was told I won't have to repeat the VDT unless my good eye deteriorates. I am slightly nearsighted on my good eye so not sure if that progresses, whether I'd have to repeat my VDT. All in all not a terrible experience. Good luck to all those who have to take the VDT. It is a very frustrating and drawn out process.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the post. Anyone took the VDT at Pleasanton Stoneridge location, do you have the route? Do they take you on the freeway?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all this info! I’m taking mine in Hawthorne, CA next week and will update. I don’t see any LA area commenters, so hope it’ll help those who live in the area.

Amar said...

Hello VDT community -
I have a question. Are we allowed to use back up cameras? Are we allowed to use blind spot mirrors, or the LED signals on the mirror? I do look over my shoulder when changing lanes. My main concerns is on the back up test. if we are allowed to use them as an aid. I have a crossover and a minivan; which both have back up cameras.
Also are you allowed to adjust the mirrors to look at the curb as you back up and adjust them back when moving forward?

Also anyone take a test with an EV, and are there any issues or feedback of using ICE vs EV.?

John S. said...

Thank you so much for posting this information on the California Vision Driving Test. I am blind in one eye but was able to score 93 out of 100 points!!! What a relief!

karynmw said...

Hello All,
Thank you so much for your support and comments. I was worried about my Vision Driving Test here at the Long Beach DMV. I do have pretty good eye sight in only my left eye. I did take a 2 hour Drivers Ed Driving lesson the make sure I was up to date on current driving issues. I am 79 years old - so a driving test is common for my age group, on top of my vision issues. My MD did write a letter saying I was 'okay to drive" and it was accepted without my having to attempt the Vision Test.
I was worried about the backup part of the test, but practiced with my head turned as they want, and really actually my side mirror for accurate info. No, they do not want us to use cameras I am told.
I took my test yesterday, was told it was a longer test due to the "Vision" part, included freeway onramp, and many left hand turns. No backup portion! I passed! The tester said "You did good" I had 6 errors - mainly signaling errors (which I do not understand because I alwauys use my signals, but ohh well) PS, Yes, my car is EV. The testor was cranky. Again, oh well. Passing is all I care about. However, he did only give me 2 more years before I have to do this all over again.

Cmoore said...

How what did you do to schedule the freaking test. I can't get to a live agent on the phone, and trying their web site isn't working either

Anonymous said...

Hi,
I've been functionally blind in my left eye since birth. I did not have much support when the time came for me to learn to drive, and I wound up learning to drive on my own and successfully obtained my license at age 21. When I moved to California 14 years ago, the DMV in Oakland had no problem giving me a license, not did I encounter any issues when renewing it. Last year, though, the Capitola DMV made a huge deal over the fact that I'd never give them a completed DL-62 form and told.me I shouldn't be driving and acted like I'd been doing something terrible for over a decade and that I'd need to prove my ability with a VDT. That was the first I'd ever heard of this test, and the honestly awful and unprofessional experience at the DMV that day shook me up and left me terrified that I was about to lose my license, which was required for my job. I worked hard to get my license and it means a great deal to me. I've got a clean record and I have been a careful driver as long as I've been licensed.

Fear and procrastination led me to avoid the whole thing until this month, and I'm running up against the renewal application expiration date soon. I had a new eye exam, my doctor completed the vision report, saying I was corrected, stable, and good for 5 years. Took the report to the DMV but was still told I must have a VDT. It is scheduled for next Thursday on 3/21.

I'm glad to have found this resource, but I'm still fairly worried and anxious. I'm about to start a new job that will *greatly* improve my life, and it requiress me to drive. My new employer is understanding and waiting for this to get cleared up. I'm just so worried though, and it seems like this coming up now instead of years ago is their fault. My employment, my security, and my independence are all suddenly riding on whether one DMV examiner's 30 minute impression of my ability after many years of safe driving. I'm cramming all of the little details in my head this week and ensuring that I'm always properly looking, signaling, and executing each part of my driving routine. I've adapted throughout my entire life to compensate for the lack of vision in my left eye and driving is no different. I nope I have good news to update you with next week - wish me luck!

Jer